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What’s Missing from My Conservative Friends’ Anti Abortion Facebook Posts

New York recently passed a law allowing late term abortions. In response, my Facebook feed lit up with things like, “America doesn’t care about abortion,” and “Let me get this straight. In New York, it’s now legal to kill a full-term baby, but illegal to kill a convicted murderer,” and “I just don’t understand how liberals can be so evil.”

When it comes to abortion, my liberal politics take a decidedly conservative turn, To me, the question isn’t, “Is abortion wrong?” It’s “What is the thing we’re aborting?” If it’s not human, do whatever you want. If it is, we’re going to need some boundaries.

Human history is full of humans deciding other humans aren’t human and doing whatever they want with them; slavery in the US being a much too recent example. Is our country’s “comfort” with abortion simply another expression of this? It’s a question that we should all wrestle with.

But we won’t. We don’t listen to each other. Liberals believe that Conservatives don’t care about a woman’s choice and Conservatives believe that Liberals don’t care about babies. We dumb down the other side’s perspective, making it much easier to judge them, blame them, and, much more importantly, exhalt ourselves in the process.

When the New York decision came out, my pro-life Facebook friends posted their thoughts, but left a few things out. According to this law, abortions are allowed if:

  • The abortion occurs before the end of the 24th week of the pregnancy.
  • The abortion is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”
  • There is an absence of “fetal viability,” or the ability for the fetus to survive outside the womb.”

 

These cases are rare, and, far as I know, only a licensed, trained medical professional can determine whether or not a case qualifies for the last two points.

Why leave all of that out?

There’s a huge difference between terminating an infant’s life out of inconvenience, and being forced to decide who lives or dies, or who potentially suffers for the rest of their life.

Some Christians make the argument that these qualifications don’t matter. Aborting a baby because of lethal anomalies or some risk to the mother’s wellbeing aren’t an excuse.

And sometimes, when the doctor says, for example, that the baby’s anomaly might cause it to suffer for the rest of its life, he’s wrong; the baby grows into a healthy, normally functioning adult. I have friends that have experienced this. It’s awful, but they’re beyond thankful that they didn’t abort.

Unfortunately, in the majority of these cases, the diagnosis is accurate. We’ve been given amazing stories of babies (and parents) who’ve pulled through, or when the doctors got it wrong, but those are the exception.

I have a mountain of respect for people who decide to keep the baby anyway. Not sure I have the guts for that.

For my part however, I refuse to judge someone for terminating a pregnancy where the medical professionals have determined a) the baby won’t live long outside of the womb, and/or b) the mother could die or suffer permanent damage, and/or c) both could suffer significantly for the rest of their lives.

I don’t think anyone, especially a Christian, who’s founder said “I came not to condemn the world,” should condemn people for decisions made in this arena. Especially those who’ve never been in this arena.

There are a couple more things I find missing from my friends’ pro-life rants.

Abortion Statistics in the US

Abortion rates in our country are lower than they’ve ever been.

For many years now, abortion statistics have been on a significant, steady down-turn.

Ironically, the sharpest drops in abortion rates, according the CDC, have happened under Democratic administrations:

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That doesn’t mean that all Liberal politicians are pro-lifer’s, and, especially with regards to abortion statistics, each administration is initially influenced by the previous one. But the above chart does, at the least, call into question the idea that Liberals don’t give a rip about human life.

This is one of the reasons why I now vote Democrat. They’ve got the best abortion numbers.

I’m wide open to the idea that I’m missing something. Don’t be afraid to educate me in the comments below.

Most of the people I know who lean Liberal believe that abortion rates drop when abortion is legal. There’s another mountain of statistics suggesting this is true. It’s not hard to fact check. Do a simple search – “Abortion rates drop where abortion is legal” and you’ll have enough to keep you busy for the next month.

That gets left out of the conversation too.

Abortions that Christians don’t Talk About

When I first moved to Denver, I was a dyed-in-the-wool, Southern, Conservative, Evangelical Christian. One evening, while out with some friends, a woman who, at the time, was an OB resident, gave me quite the tongue-lashing about my abortion views.

“You Christians love to talk about abortion,” she said. “Then you turn around and become one of the biggest consumers of in vitro fertilization (IVF).

If you’re not familiar with IVF, I’ll share my limited understanding.

IVF utilizes hormones and new technology to produce an embryo that is implanted in the mother’s womb. IVF has a good enough success rate to be a popular alternative for folks who can’t concieve. I does have one interesting complication, especially for conservative, pro-life Christians.

To make sure the procedure procures a baby, multiple embryos are produced, and not all of these are implanted into the mother’s womb. What happens to the ones that aren’t used? They’re frozen, which forces us to ask some questions we don’t want to ask.

Can a frozen embryo be “thawed” and used later? Yes, and because we’ve been doing this for awhile, we’re doing a better job at viability rates. You now have a better chance of successfully implanting a frozen embryo than you did 5 years ago.

Even so, we roll the dice a bit in the freezing process.

Do you have to produce multiple embryos? No. Some choose to limit the number of embryos produced to avoid freezing, or having so many that they can’t be used. But this takes the success rates way down. Many have chosen to focus on success at the expense of the remaining embryos facing an unknown future.

What happens to the frozen embryos that don’t get used? My understanding is that the family has final say in what happens. They can abandon them and/or leave their fate to the people who own the fridge.

Some estimate that there are currently 1,000,000 frozen embryos in US.

I tried to reference a conservative news source to try and give this some credibility to my non-left friends who’ve become convinced that any liberal outlet only produces fake news, but I can’t find any.

I did however find a few Fox news articles on this (the top three hits when I searched “Fox News risks of IVF). One talks about how IVF kids might end up with higher blood pressure. Another talks about the risks of IVF, but doesn’t mention the frozen embryo conundrum. The third talks about IVF and breast cancer risks.

I scanned the next 100 search results and didn’t see anything from Fox on the issue of freezing/abandoning embryos. Again, please comment below if I’ve gotten this wrong.

Fox News does generate a fair amount of helpful material on IVF, which seems to suggest that it’s a popular subject with their viewers, which seems to support my friend’s opinion that IVF is a popular go-to for would-be Christian parents.

But if you’re looking for the full picture on IVF, especially the dark side that Christians don’t like to talk about, I don’t think you’ll get it from the conservative media outlets. Their congregation doesn’t want to hear it.

Liberal outlets have generated tons on this, but that doesn’t make them better than the conservative outlets. Each is trying to make thier $$$, serving up the stuff that will earn their respective congregation’s trust, carefully avoiding any hornet’s nest that might taint their bottom line.

I once raised this issue with a friend who, unbeknownst to me, had just done an IVF cycle with his wife. The conversation didn’t go well. I tried to explain that I’m not against IVF, I just don’t see how someone can believe that life begins at conception, then throw 5 in the freezer hoping that a certain percentage will yield a child.

Another friend who’s IVF procedure was successful said, “Yes, Mark, but look at the end result. Look at this beautiful child we now have!” While I agree that her child was beautiful, I still can’t reconcile the “life begins at conception” with “freezing humans to make humans,” and the resulting number of embryos that go homeless, and will most likely be terminated.

You might be able to reconcile all of this. But at the least you can understand my confusion. You can also understand how the non-Christian, pro-choice world sees pro-life IVF consumers as hypocrites.

Either way, we shouldn’t leave this part of the discussion out of our “Baby Killer!” Facebook rants.

Jesus, Abortion, and Poor People

The majority of people who have abortions performed are not liberal, or conservative. They’re poor.

It’s here that I’m going to shift the focus of this post from abortion to what’s been labelled by conservatives as little more than a liberal agenda.

“Social Justice”

I know, you hate that word. As someone who’s spent half his adult life as a conservative, I understand. But there’s a passage in the Bible that I can’t get past when I think about why you hate this.

It’s a passage that talks about how the final judgment is going to go down, who’s in, who’s out, etc:

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.” ~ Matthew 25:31-33

 

What will the criterion be? Bible knowlege? Church attendance? Adherence to the generally accepted Christian moral code? Evangelism?

Nope

“Then the King will say to those on his right [the “good” folk], ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

Then God pronounces His judgment on “the goats:”

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

 

With regards to this, I think it’s best to err on the side of political programs and systems that make sure the poor and marginalized are cared for. Sure, people will take advantage. We’ll have plenty of examples of people getting paid who don’t deserve it, plenty of dangerous immigrants permeating our borders.

But that’s better than a system that guarantees no exploitation, while too many of the poor/marginalized/homeless slip through our fingers.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ, if I’m reading the above passages right, isn’t about personal safety, or national wellbeing, it’s about treating everyone like they’re Jesus.

But if I start talking to Christians about “Social Justice” – how we incarcerate blacks 5x more than whites for the same crimes, treating immigrants like some kind of threat, caring for the poor, etc., my conservative Christian friends log off. Some try to correct me, having labelled me a liberal who doesn’t care about the things of God.

I know, welfare pisses you off. And I’m familiar with the myriad ways we talk ourselves out of Bible passages that indict us. Poor people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They have the same opportunites as everyone else. The blacks in jail deserve what they got, they have the same opportunities as everyone else. Immigrants are a threat to our life and freedom.

But the above passages seem to suggest that social justice is THE criterion for who’s “in,” who’s “out,” and who’s truly “righteous,” and how people who’ve convinced themselves of their own (self) righteousness, can be wrong.

You don’t have to read this and become a social justice warrior, but, at the least, you can understand why I am, and how the Bible led me to become so.

Back to abortion. I don’t think, for the most part, that poor people have many options. Sure, some have some bootstraps to pull, but they’re the exception. For the rest, abortion, much as I hate it, is the only way to survive. That doesn’t make it “right,” or “good.” It is what it is, and the best way to make sure these particular cases decrease, is to provide resources and education, even if some profit from it.

You might say, “It’s a simple problem. Poor people should just stop having sex,” which is easy to say when you’ve never experienced the humiliation, hopelessness, racism, and general degredation that poor people in the US face.

Maybe this is why abortion rates have their biggest declines during liberal “social justice warrior” administrations? I wonder, and will continue to research.

Thanks for reading this, the longest post I’ve made in awhile. I’m sure I’ve gotten some things wrong, and welcome your corrections/insights (though Christian trollers be warned).

While my goal here was not to convert you, I’m hoping that you can at least understand my perspective, have some compassion for it, and think a bit before posting, what seem to me, evidence that you need to do a better job of listening.

We all do. Me included. Tell me what I’ve missed and I swear to all that is holy, I’ll do my best to get the emotions out of the way and listen.

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7 thoughts on “What’s Missing from My Conservative Friends’ Anti Abortion Facebook Posts”

  1. Whoa- where do I start?! Let’s go with the IVF- life DOES begin at conception… freezing an embryo is not ABORTING an embryo. And yes, those families that are so desperate to have a family of their own, opt for IVF, and to me are held to the same standard of valuing life as any other pregnant woman, poor or rich. They have the dilemma IF they are Christians, real Christians, not in name only, to grabble with the decision of what to do with their unborn children- (even if they are frozen at the time), those kidos could also be given up for adoption for some other infertile couple to carry. But they should not be “sacrificed” because they are still just “embryos”- and if it “cost” a lot to keep them “frozen” well then that was the price, the sacrifice of having “children” to care for. The LORD will provide a way. He always does. Not having the “monies” still is not an excuse to end life. Also, they may have the “risk” of having some type of health issue once “thawed” and implanted, being born. Really, well that goes with ALL pregnancies- all of them. So sorry, those with IVF babies, they desire life just like you too.
    Now for the babies that are born or will be born with anomalies and will “die” or not have much of a “life”, well, there is something about being born of water first, something about being alive in the first place. Even these babies have purpose. They demonstrate that no matter what, life is worth living, even if just for a moment. It’s another lie the enemy- Satan has done to have society believe these babies have no value. Also, I’ve personally held babies that have had anomalies, like anencephalics, (brain doesn’t form just the brain stem) but they look completely like a normal baby if you put the newborn cap on, Ive swaddled them in a blanket and held them so they wouldn’t die alone or even better, I’ve put them in their mom’s arms and watched them hold and cry with them until their baby died. It was her own little family that needed to be recognized! It is also a privilege to watch someone take their first breath as it is to take their last. These “genetic malformed” babies and even miscarriages serve a purpose, because ALL life has purpose in the LORD’s eyes…in my opinion for those that miscarried, it’s to tell that mom, that she could get pregnant, and to those that carry the “unlivable” to term and then deliver these babies, that they have courage and a heart of forever selfless hope.
    And in reality- there really is no need for abortion today- we have way to much free easy access to free birth control. Being poor and young isn’t an excuse to have an abortion. Truth needs to be spoken to these pregnant women… there are numerous people who would love to take care of, even pay for their health care to adopt those “unwanted” babies. And in reality, as a L&D RN, in my 35 years as a Maternal-Woman’s Health field, I have NEVER seen, “we have to abort the baby to save the mother’s life”— what we do to save the mom, is try and get the baby to viability- about 21-23 weeks now and then DELIVER the baby. So that’s just a “lie” to justify abortion. And usually before then, if the mom is truly “sick” because of the pregnancy, the baby does it’s own “self-sacrifice” and usually dies, or the mom will start to go in labor herself- I’ve also held many a 15-17 week baby- they are full formed, just haven’t had time to grow- and I’ve taken their footprints, wrapped them and if able given them to their families/mom to hold, see, touch, cry and even pray over. We rob these families of the truth of life when we “abort” them. Oh and rapes and incest- really? You mean we’ve had about 60 million rapes in this country? No, I don’t by that either. I could go on and on.
    Jesus also said that we would always have the poor among us. It’s a litmus year on how we help one another- how we take care of each other, but letting them or encouraging them to have an abortion isn’t the answer. I believe you have sipped in the Koolaid. Abortion is wrong, plain and simple. And as a Real Jewish Christian, I cannot be silent on the inaccuracies I’ve noted. I love people, even those who have had abortions. My heart breaks for them because they have succumbed to the false narrative that the “white-washed feminists” have told them. (They do not speak for me!) They have been deceived once again by the serpent in the garden. Please don’t swallow that same fruit… all your answers and conflict I sense you have will be solved IN the Tree of Life. We are all made in His Image…

    1. Hey, so good to hear from you, and thanx for taking the time to read and share your thoughts. Say hi to your husband for me. Re responding to your comments, as someone who’s lived as a conservative for most of his life, I understand where you’re coming from, and why you approach this the way you do. My article, however, isn’t a plea for more abortions, nor does it celebrate or justify the termination of any human life. I’m reading what you wrote and wondering if you understand how I approach the moral issue, where I “stand,” and, in general, why I wrote this in the first place? Maybe read the article again and try, as much as possible, to insulate your interpretation from you emotions? That of course would be a bit of “do as I say, not as I do” advice. Getting our emotions out of the way so we might better understand what people are trying to say is always hard. I don’t always succeed here.

  2. I appreciate you sharing your perspective on this. There are things I disagree with, but as a fellow Christian I like getting insight into other people’s conclusions. I respect the humble way you went about this. I’m not sure about offering rebuttable in a comment section because in my experience I’ve found it to not be fruitful. There is also the whole element of “people don’t care about what you know until they know that you care.” I will say this, I guess I had an opposite political experience to you. I was once a liberal and the more I learned about why I believe what I believe politically and religiously I felt I couldn’t personally adhere to both at the same time. I call myself Libertarian now.

    Instead of “refuting” points I will simply share my experience with being poor and having a child. Perhaps that is better and know that I do it to offer an “insider’s” perspective not necessarily to argue. I share your intent to “not convert” but to share. My wife and I got married young and a month afterward we found out we were going to have a child. Neither one of us was making enough to cover rent let alone food and the rest.

    Yes, in what I consider to be a moment of weakness we discussed abortion and adoption. In hindsight it wasn’t a serious discussion but we were scared, terrified even. It wasn’t until very recently, within the last couple years, that we finally made it out of poverty. When I heard my son’s heartbeat and saw his ultrasound I felt convicted for ever entertaining the idea of abortion, no matter how brief.

    Now I would be lying if I said that it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, in fact there were times when the struggles were even worse. We had months where we had to live off of ramen and mac and cheese. So in saying that, after going through that my wife and I have become even MORE anti-abortion. Sure, not every impoverished person gets out of their situation after eight years. I know that, but with being in that situation ending the life for that reason isn’t an option for us.

    With the rest of the abortion points you made I appreciate your approach and understand why you came to them. For me it isn’t about judging the people, when ever fellow believers do that it is wrong, but actions we certainly are called to judge especially out of compassion.

    There is more I could say and would like to say, but it would likely defeat my purpose of sharing instead of debating points. Again, please don’t take this as an argument, believe what you will. I’ve read a fair amount of what you wrote and enjoy getting a different perspective (politically). As someone who accepts the truth of decent with modification (evolution) in a faith that largely believes Young Earth Creationism, I know how isolating and lonely it can be having a different point-of-view than mainstream Christianity.

    God Bless.

    1. Not sure where to start. First, you’re more qualified than I am to speak on this. Second, bloggers love comments, even when the commenter is not affirming of the blogger’s perspective. We don’t like trolling, but your thoughts are far from anything I’d consider trolling. Last, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your taking the time to read and share your thoughts here – thank you so much. That said, argue away. I didn’t write this thinking there wouldn’t be “trouble,” and I have multiple friends who don’t think like I do and aren’t afraid to tell me where I’m full of crap. I think we’ve all got things to learn from you, and I welcome more if you have time/energy/interest.
      Thanx again. I found this encouraging. Mark

      1. I’m grateful for the gracious response. I have largely avoided “hot button” topics on WordPress largely because I am trying to build a business, but this I felt called to write my experiences. Also, in my experience a blog comment section or on Facebook people tend to build up walls and assume the worst intent. I’ve had this even with family members. So in light of that I thank you for not taking that route.

        What I gather to be one of your main thrust is “abortion sucks but as long as there are poor people it will exist.” Yes, children are expensive. I saw quotes from a quarter million to a half million to raise a child from birth until adulthood. However, I feel those statistics are absurd. If one is poor and has an unexpected child there are cheep alternatives. (garage sales, frozen veggies in a blender for food) Not to mention since things like CPS exist if you ask for help someone WILL help, since not feeding and clothing children properly is abuse. Not asking for help and trying to chug along with pride will ultimately do more harm than good. There are scores of charities out there, even for us rural folks.

        Doctor visits are also (usually) more forgiving for children if the parents don’t have much. There are also low-income clinics. Again, if a child is sick and the parents didn’t take him/her to the doctor CPS would undoubtedly get involved, due to that there has to be a support network for poor folks with children. Perhaps some don’t know about it? An abortion is 400 dollars, and typically that payment is required upfront before the procedure so I’m not sure about how someone could see that as “affordable.” 400 dollars is hard to come by for a poor person. The cost of a child is at least more spread out. If help isn’t sought though, then yes it will be harder, but still not impossible. It doesn’t have to be a local government organization either. There are many options out there.

        When we were waiting for our son to be born, I especially was terrified. I am a facts/data person. I saw what we had and knew that children were expensive. Perhaps this is what drive people to abortion over life if they are poor? Maybe a fear to ask for help? At the end of the day though, I personally do not feel poverty is a reason to abort. Who knows, maybe the poverty situation is temporary? We never know the future. Poverty could strike a well-off family too. I believe wholeheartedly that we should feel compassion for women who make the choice to abort because they felt they had no other choice. For me, It didn’t take long to realize that my son shouldn’t be ripped apart limb from limb via forceps because of my choices/situation.

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